Skip to main content

tv   The War Room With Jennifer Granholm  Current  December 3, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm PST

9:00 pm
(woman)yeah, i take cocaine, not regularly but every now and then. (man) i probably take a couple of grams most weekends. (woman) i started it when i was at university. (man) i don't really know why i started. (women) it makes people feel good, you know. (woman)that's why i take it.
9:01 pm
(cesar gaviria) the us and europe are not doing enough. you cannot put all the responsibility on us. we are doing an extraordinary sacrifice. you need to look at the policy you have in place. (woman) it's not what you get told. i mean, we just get told that it's bad for you. (man)it's bit of a good fun. we get it pretty much everywhere in london. woman) some people take it because it makes them feel good. (man) i used to take it.
9:02 pm
that was my choice. >>as long as there is demand for the use of cocaine whether it be in the usa, europe or other parts of the world, then it will be produced and it will supply the market. for the casual western recreational user of cocaine, i think you should need to confront the fact that the supply chain of your ah, preferred commodity, is a very dirty supply chain, and that has human, financial and social costs. (women) it's like drinking and smoking isn't it? (man)i don't really like alcohol and cigarettes. (women) it's sociable. and as much as you can take. (man) i'm only harming myself. aren't i?
9:03 pm
>>it used to be fun around here, back in the sixties. now er, at night time you don't even want to walk the streets, and even sometimes during the day time you don't walk the streets here. reservoir hill is the community that i grew up in. and, back when in that time, in the sixties, and even the early seventies, every home was occupied. this is brookfield. on that corner, it used to be brookfield pharmacy, and these these two blocks, on both sides of the street right here
9:04 pm
were filled with, booming with business. they're now vacant lots. boarded up homes now, each and every one of these homes used to be occupied. baltimore was a very booming town, over a million people. blue collar jobs, when the docks steel mills and so on. but then, industry started to suffer, and the jobs started to go away. many,heads of these households, had to er, find a way to bring money in. and, for many of these folks, the hustle was illegal drug dealing. the operations that er you see out here. a typical scenario is, a car pulls down the street drives, down the
9:05 pm
street very slow, which is an indication that they're looking for something to buy. someone will approach the car. that person, typically, will not have the drugs on them, but they will take the money, and then direct the car, to another er, person maybe a short distance away. another way is that you'll see a large number of people, er standing on a particular corner, or in an area. the numbers will slowly begin to increase, as you might see two or three at first. and when the numbers get up to probably somewhere between ten and twenty, then the person selling the drugs will, what we would say, open shop. so they'd go down an alley, somewhere out of sight, and everyone will follow. they will line up. and within a matter of seconds, a minute, they will sell drugs to about twenty people. just like that. just that quick. and they'll repeat it over and over again. and it's much more efficient
9:06 pm
and less chance of them getting caught, by the police. baltimore is - has had a very, er large drug problem for many decades, but it wasn't always that way here in baltimore, and i think um, that changed when the law enforcement er, and the nixon administration, launched the war on drugs, and er, baltimore changed. and i've been in law enforcement now for over thirty three years. i think i've got a very good grasp of what's going on out here in the streets, and what needs to change. from the law enforcement perspective, we need to change our policies quick.
9:07 pm
9:08 pm
>>the problem of drugs in colombia, have different characteristics from anywhere of in the world. and it's an international security issue. so our policy is very aggressive against all elements of drug trafficking. one of the elements is eradication. eradication of crops. air spraying, which was er the basic element of reduction of production. but in two thousand five, we started the process of manual eradication.
9:09 pm
it's more effective but you need the combination of both. of air spraying in many areas where it's very difficult. and manual eradication where where there is more territorial control.
9:10 pm
9:11 pm
9:12 pm
9:13 pm
these talking points, that the right have, about the "heavy hand of government" ... i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you
9:14 pm
fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those conversations, not to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table.
9:15 pm
9:16 pm
9:17 pm
>>i jump out of my skin at people when i'm upset. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa.
9:18 pm
9:19 pm
>> there are so many unintended consequences. and for a country that's been at civil war for 4.5 decades our drug policy has been causing a lot of these peasant farmers to become alienated from the state. >> the sacrifice colombia does from fighting drugs is inordinate. the social damage is terrible. and most of the time destroying the life of people who are not criminals who are just trying to survive.
9:20 pm
>> now it is my pleasure to call on his excellency, don juan evo morales avmer, president of the republic of bolivia.
9:21 pm
9:22 pm
>> at the peak of forced eradication, coca eradication became very, very violent. and with the passage of this and with the shift of the use of the armed forces as the key eradication force, and what there was, was troops coming on forcibly to their land and ripping out every bit of the family's coca leaf.
9:23 pm
9:24 pm
d.c. columnist and emmy winner bill press is now on current tv weekday mornings. >>welcome to the bill press show we're coming to you live coast to coast. >>a progressive breath of fresh air. >>i love to have, in the morning, the first crack at the news and the first opportunity to get on the phone and to talk with people all around the country. >>a progressive. >>let's get back to the phones here. hi stephanie. >>with widespread success. >>i've been around this stuff a long time but i still believe in the political system that if people know the truth they're going to make the right decisions. >>enlightening, entertaining. >>bill press digs deeper. >>...and the truth is, this
9:25 pm
economy is recovering. >>standing up for the truth. >>i love current's new direction, it's something i've been waiting for a long time. a true progressive network that's an audience that hasn't been served in this country before. i believe people are hungry for it. your tv show of the morning on current tv.
9:26 pm
9:27 pm
>> wow! i've never seen anything like this. >> when disaster strikes sometimes the only way out is to look within. current tv digs deep into the extraordinary tales of heroism determination and escape. "trapped" experience the drama. back to back to back. >> hold on mates! >> catch the "trapped" mini-marathon saturday starting at 1 eastern. on current tv.
9:28 pm
9:29 pm
9:30 pm
9:31 pm
9:32 pm
9:33 pm
>>taking advantage of the strength of the coca grower union structure has allowed them to reduce coca beyond the cato for each family. er, in a peaceful negotiated way. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.
9:34 pm
9:35 pm
9:36 pm
9:37 pm
i want the people who watch our show, to be able to come away armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really important. this is not just a spectator sport. (woman) i don't really know i suppose i probably should. (man) its quite successful with parties, and it's sociable. (woman)it just seems that people who want to take it, take it.
9:38 pm
9:39 pm
9:40 pm
>> the fumigation program has not stopped. and, they're now moving towards manual eradication, which, in many ways is as problematic, if not more so, than aerial fumigation. to see peasant farmers being held back at gun point by the national police, or other military while a team of a
9:41 pm
several dozen men, will come through, and basically tear up their coca field. and so in the course of twenty minutes, their entire source of food security is destroyed.
9:42 pm
>> we never got with why these peasant farmers continue to grow these crops year after year, and that has much more to be with historical abandon by the state, lack of economical activities, lack of export infrastructure, getting crops to markets, that sort of thing and we responded, basically with a big stick approach when we fumigate and eradicate these crops without giving them viable alternatives. >> we certainly thought that we would see better results in
9:43 pm
terms of the amount of cocaine that was being sent. but for colombia, that situation is dramatically different, and has improved immensely in terms of security in many of those areas, in terms of the capability of citizens to live, to work, live normally, and in that sense, it has been a success for us. but, the incentives of the demand that has grown so dramatically especially in western europe has kept the price high, and has undermined the efforts that we are doing here. >>i think the challenge for colombia now that it has made some progress in improving the security situation, but little progress in reducing the flow of cocaine, is social and economic development, of people who live in the poor and remote areas. what they have to let go of, is the idea that if they keep pouring more money into military, and more money into police, then they will solve the drug problem. >> the flow of drugs to europe
9:44 pm
or to the us, or to all of latin american countries, will keep untouched and will keep flowing, and i think we need to deal with the policy that is not so harmful to society. >>i jump out of my skin at people when i'm upset. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa.
9:45 pm
[ male announcer ] red lobster's crabfest ends soon. hurry in and try five succulent entrees like our tender snow crab paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. salads, sandwiches, and more.
9:46 pm
(vo) when the clock runs out when the last card is played what will be remembered? explore the lives of the famous and infamous who changed our world forever. experience the drama, back to back to back. of all the hours in all their
9:47 pm
days, the ones you'll never forget are the final 24. don't miss the final 24 mini-marathon this sunday on current tv. save the best for last. poster's subtitles: "we want a drug free bolivia for a good life"
9:48 pm
>> this improved quality of life for the families, although they still live in extreme poverty, has allowed them to do something that they really were unable to do successfully in the past. and that is, try alternative crops. try alternative strategies for income to augment their subsistence income from coca.
9:49 pm
9:50 pm
9:51 pm
9:52 pm
>> will drugs traffickers perceive this as a void that they will try to take advantage of? quite probably. the bolivian government now is working very, very hard, to strengthen the work in the nation's borders.
9:53 pm
9:54 pm
>> i think that the morales system is an important model. it's not perfect. it has it's flaws. but i think that it does have some key elements that can be used in other countries, and that is, a focus on limiting coca, but with alternatives already in place, as opposed to forced eradication.
9:55 pm
(man) i think the west should acknowledge that absolute ban on all forms of plants associated with the western drug problem, is not a sustainable long term solution. >> bolivia has made it very clear that it's not in favor of cocaine production and it's their sovereign right that we, as the international community, should be finding ways to live with rather than trying to force bolivian elected politicians, to live with our fifty year old international system.
9:56 pm
>> wow! i've never seen anything like this. >> when disaster strikes sometimes the only way out is to look within. current tv digs deep into the extraordinary tales of heroism determination and escape. "trapped" experience the drama. back to back to back. >> hold on mates! >> catch the "trapped" mini-marathon saturday starting at 1 eastern. on current tv.
9:57 pm
9:58 pm
9:59 pm